bobdelfino said:

tonyiommi said:

bobdelfino said:

Tony, that is quite an 'amazing' post.  "Katie, you need to educate yourself before making such comments. "  And from there it just gets worse from there.  Tony, my suggestion, try to provide some solutions instead of ignorant rants about how " the locals (all poor/lazy) scream racism, etc."  Unless, you are afraid to say, " kill the poor and feed them to the rich."  For which, I will understand.

 

Pierre

The solutions are to stop catering to the laziest in society.  Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness, willful criminal activity, willful squandering of educational opportuniteis and lack of values/work ethic.  My mother was one of 11 children born sharecropper grandparents, grew up as dirt poor as poor can be.  10 of the 11 kids made it to adult age and were successful (decent jobs, owned houses, no cirminals, etc.) - they all went from poor to middle class (or some semblance their of) through hard work and having a good set of values.  Quit making excuses for lazy folks and quit blaming the "rich" who got there through sacrifice, hard work and good choices.

Tony, it seems that you still think we are still living in those times.  I got news for you: times have changed.  During the time of sharecropping, America was a vastly different country.  The issue, not the lazy, as you put it.   " Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness" in your mind.  How much would it cost today to have and raise 11 children?  How much would it cost to send 11 children to college?  How much would insurance cost for 11 children...today?  Tony, based on a couple of your post, it doesn't sound like you are quite familiar with OWS/OH is about nor its issues.  I suggest, you take some of your own advice and "educate yourself before making comments..."  Just my take..

Bob, I'm 45, sharecropping is not that old.  None of those kids went to college, they mostly ended up being housewives, plumbers, electricians and the like, nice solid jobs that provided a decent income, the ability to buy houses and send their kids to college. 

 

Based on your post, you are not familiar with hard work and intelligence.

tonyiommi said:

bobdelfino said:

tonyiommi said:

bobdelfino said:

Tony, that is quite an 'amazing' post.  "Katie, you need to educate yourself before making such comments. "  And from there it just gets worse from there.  Tony, my suggestion, try to provide some solutions instead of ignorant rants about how " the locals (all poor/lazy) scream racism, etc."  Unless, you are afraid to say, " kill the poor and feed them to the rich."  For which, I will understand.

 

Pierre

The solutions are to stop catering to the laziest in society.  Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness, willful criminal activity, willful squandering of educational opportuniteis and lack of values/work ethic.  My mother was one of 11 children born sharecropper grandparents, grew up as dirt poor as poor can be.  10 of the 11 kids made it to adult age and were successful (decent jobs, owned houses, no cirminals, etc.) - they all went from poor to middle class (or some semblance their of) through hard work and having a good set of values.  Quit making excuses for lazy folks and quit blaming the "rich" who got there through sacrifice, hard work and good choices.

Tony, it seems that you still think we are still living in those times.  I got news for you: times have changed.  During the time of sharecropping, America was a vastly different country.  The issue, not the lazy, as you put it.   " Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness" in your mind.  How much would it cost today to have and raise 11 children?  How much would it cost to send 11 children to college?  How much would insurance cost for 11 children...today?  Tony, based on a couple of your post, it doesn't sound like you are quite familiar with OWS/OH is about nor its issues.  I suggest, you take some of your own advice and "educate yourself before making comments..."  Just my take..

Bob, I'm 45, sharecropping is not that old.  None of those kids went to college, they mostly ended up being housewives, plumbers, electricians and the like, nice solid jobs that provided a decent income, the ability to buy houses and send their kids to college. 

 

Based on your post, you are not familiar with hard work and intelligence.

Tony, sharecropping isn't that old...relatively.  How much does being a housewife pay today?  Plumbers, electricians and like from my understanding do make decent income.  But enough to send their children...plural...to college?  Bob, in case you haven't noticed, a decent income doesn't buy as much as it use to.  Have you bought gas or groceries lately?  They are a bit  more expensive than they have in the past, along with many other things.  Oh, college and university tuition and other related expenses also are a bit higher than in the past.  So, yea...you can make a 'decent income' as a blue collar worker, if you choose the profession right but it won't buy what it use to.  

tony yu look whitey what you doin here?

I am am albino from Zamibia, my color is internal mostly, although my exterior qualifies more or less as opaque.  All you damn pigmented folks better stop disenfranchizing me and my kind!!!!!!!!!!!

tonyiommi said:

bobdelfino said:

Tony, that is quite an 'amazing' post.  "Katie, you need to educate yourself before making such comments. "  And from there it just gets worse from there.  Tony, my suggestion, try to provide some solutions instead of ignorant rants about how " the locals (all poor/lazy) scream racism, etc."  Unless, you are afraid to say, " kill the poor and feed them to the rich."  For which, I will understand.

 

Pierre

The solutions are to stop catering to the laziest in society.  Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness, willful criminal activity, willful squandering of educational opportuniteis and lack of values/work ethic.  My mother was one of 11 children born sharecropper grandparents, grew up as dirt poor as poor can be.  10 of the 11 kids made it to adult age and were successful (decent jobs, owned houses, no cirminals, etc.) - they all went from poor to middle class (or some semblance their of) through hard work and having a good set of values.  Quit making excuses for lazy folks and quit blaming the "rich" who got there through sacrifice, hard work and good choices.

Tony, it seems that you still think we are still living in those times.  I got news for you: times have changed.  During the time of sharecropping, America was a vastly different country.  The issue, not the lazy, as you put it.   " Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness" in your mind.  How much would it cost today to have and raise 11 children?  How much would it cost to send 11 children to college?  How much would insurance cost for 11 children...today?  Tony, based on a couple of your post, it doesn't sound like you are quite familiar with OWS/OH is about nor its issues.  I suggest, you take some of your own advice and "educate yourself before making comments..."  Just my take..

Bob, I'm 45, sharecropping is not that old.  None of those kids went to college, they mostly ended up being housewives, plumbers, electricians and the like, nice solid jobs that provided a decent income, the ability to buy houses and send their kids to college. 

Based on your post, you are not familiar with hard work and intelligence.

bobdelfino said:

Tony, that is quite an 'amazing' post.  "Katie, you need to educate yourself before making such comments. "  And from there it just gets worse from there.  Tony, my suggestion, try to provide some solutions instead of ignorant rants about how " the locals (all poor/lazy) scream racism, etc."  Unless, you are afraid to say, " kill the poor and feed them to the rich."  For which, I will understand.

 

Pierre

The solutions are to stop catering to the laziest in society.  Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness, willful criminal activity, willful squandering of educational opportuniteis and lack of values/work ethic.  My mother was one of 11 children born sharecropper grandparents, grew up as dirt poor as poor can be.  10 of the 11 kids made it to adult age and were successful (decent jobs, owned houses, no cirminals, etc.) - they all went from poor to middle class (or some semblance their of) through hard work and having a good set of values.  Quit making excuses for lazy folks and quit blaming the "rich" who got there through sacrifice, hard work and good choices.

Tony, it seems that you still think we are still living in those times.  I got news for you: times have changed.  During the time of sharecropping, America was a vastly different country.  The issue, not the lazy, as you put it.   " Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness" in your mind.  How much would it cost today to have and raise 11 children?  How much would it cost to send 11 children to college?  How much would insurance cost for 11 children...today?  Tony, based on a couple of your post, it doesn't sound like you are quite familiar with OWS/OH is about nor its issues.  I suggest, you take some of your own advice and "educate yourself before making comments..."  Just my take..

Tony, that is quite an 'amazing' post.  "Katie, you need to educate yourself before making such comments. "  And from there it just gets worse from there.  Tony, my suggestion, try to provide some solutions instead of ignorant rants about how " the locals (all poor/lazy) scream racism, etc."  Unless, you are afraid to say, " kill the poor and feed them to the rich."  For which, I will understand.

 

Pierre

The solutions are to stop catering to the laziest in society.  Being 'poor' is most often tied to laziness, willful criminal activity, willful squandering of educational opportuniteis and lack of values/work ethic.  My mother was one of 11 children born sharecropper grandparents, grew up as dirt poor as poor can be.  10 of the 11 kids made it to adult age and were successful (decent jobs, owned houses, no cirminals, etc.) - they all went from poor to middle class (or some semblance their of) through hard work and having a good set of values.  Quit making excuses for lazy folks and quit blaming the "rich" who got there through sacrifice, hard work and good choices.

Pierre

Bob,

I agree the transit system is a problem. I don't know what the current plan is, but putting one in would create jobs (with no thanks to Perry)…but they tend to take a long time to pass. In the past, Houston has addressed mass transit in such a haphazard way, focusing more on a few rare tourists than the everyday needs of the people. I am not current on the information, other than plans to head to the Galleria and head North. Seems there is little talk ever about serving outlying communities and impoverished areas that need it most.

Education, yes, I agree. I am not the protest type, and have no children, but I will march on that one. I think we could reach out to all the teachers we know, and give them time to share with other teachers, and do it on a day they are available. I would think there would be a lot of interested parents as well. It seems far too many teachers are losing their jobs, becoming demoralized by the current system, etc. I can't imagine what it must be like to be a teacher in this system….horrific.

How much influence does the state vs. the city have over education in Texas? And do we need to find fairer ways to address school tax so poorer communities are benefitted? Do we have an Occupy 'expert' on education?

~k

Katie, you need to educate yourself before making such comments.  As for education, we already have the Robin Hood system that takes money from richer areas and gives it to the poorer & lazier areas, so what more do you want?  Furthermore, when the underperforming schools are slated to be closed or have a change in leadership, the locals (all poor/lazy) scream racism, etc. and the underperformance continues.  It is the very people you say you want to help who are the problem; they want false rewards for free and just perpetuate the problem.  In the end, the school system teaches to the dumbest kid in the class and we all suffer.

As for Public Transportation, it is already subsidized to no end in the U.S., especially in Houston.  There is door-to-door service (paratransit) for disabled (real disabled and those milking the system) and underperfroming routes are continued (again, the locals don't care if no one rides a particular bus route, if it gets cancelled they scream racism, oppression, etc.).  Public Transportation is already a heavily subsidized social service and that is why is fails, it is run as a social service and not as a transportation system.  Houston METRO also goes over the top with affirmative action and puts people in roles to fill (actually overfill) quotas and not based on qualifications, our system is a joke considering how much money it takes in.  A funny note is that METRO is funded by a 1.0% City of Houston sales tax, and since the "1%" buy more stuff, they are paying more in the dedicated sales tax that benefits the 99%, oh the irony.  Just look at the ass clowns that have headed up METRO – Shirley DeLiberio (chronic liar, but she was a minority woman, a 2-fer), Frank Wilson (was kicked out of NJ for being too corrupt and too much of an ahole, get your head around that) and now George Greanius (suspeneded for surfing the web on METRO laptop while searching for teenage male prostitues apparently, but not fired since he's a homosexual like the mayor) – ya' that's some quality leadership, no wonder METRO is a joke.

I agree the transit system is a problem. I don't know what the current plan is, but putting one in would create jobs (with no thanks to Perry)...but they tend to take a long time to pass. In the past, Houston has addressed mass transit in such a haphazard way, focusing more on a few rare tourists than the everyday needs of the people. I am not current on the information, other than plans to head to the Galleria and head North. Seems there is little talk ever about serving outlying communities and impoverished areas that need it most.

Education, yes, I agree. I am not the protest type, and have no children, but I will march on that one. I think we could reach out to all the teachers we know, and give them time to share with other teachers, and do it on a day they are available. I would think there would be a lot of interested parents as well. It seems far too many teachers are losing their jobs, becoming demoralized by the current system, etc. I can't imagine what it must be like to be a teacher in this system....horrific.

How much influence does the state vs. the city have over education in Texas? And do we need to find fairer ways to address school tax so poorer communities are benefitted? Do we have an Occupy 'expert' on education?

~k

So far, the most pressing issue brought before City Council has been the issue of 'tent' or not to 'tent'...I attended the first city council meeting and saw the second one attended by Occupy Houston.  Both council meeting issues brought by Occupy Houston were concerning the use of tents.  

This makes sense since these are the pressing issues of the occupiers in Tranguility Park and our right to peacefully assemble to present our grievances.  

I would like the transit system in this city addressed and upgraded for greater efficiency and more options.  Which includes more city trains and a biking/hiking trail that doesn't expect pedesterians and bike riders to compete with vehicles for space.

Also, the education system in Texas needs to be addressed.  Serious issues there.

Those would be starters for me.

According to wiki, this was adopted in 1948 by the U.N.  Wiki is vague, leading to other links. How easily enforced it is is probably a concern:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....man_Rights

Hi. These may be vague or not within city council's reach, but I kind of like such demands such as:

Real penalties for corporate crime

Real penalties for environmental destruction

Real limits on hoarding of wealth and property

Real limits on corporate power/concentrations of power

Real equality

 

Other ideas:

No billionaires

No millionaires

Also, maybe we could figure out what would constitute torture or cruel and unusual punishment of large corporations (not people, of course), and make it legal.

The movement world wide needs to bring attention to the 'Second Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia' that FDR tried to pass right before he died and the 'The Universal Declaration of Human Rights' that the UN general assembly never formally adopted. They both address the majority of the issues that the '99 percent' is trying to bring attention to.

Real penalties for corporate crime

Real penalties for environmental destruction

Real limits on hoarding of wealth and property

Real limits on corporate power/concentrations of power

Real equality

Other ideas:

No billionaires

No millionaires

Also, maybe we could figure out what would constitute torture or cruel and unusual punishment of large corporations (not people, of course), and make it legal.