i dont subscribe to calling something fact when it starts with "i just think... it is." i do know that the number of people participating in GAs in NYC and across the country are considerably smaller. livestream, youtube, et al., show us as much.

but i know that the movement i signed up for isnt the same today that it was months ago, and that is alarming to me and others. getting bogged down with 4000 issues with no resolution isnt the answer, even if the goal was as subjective as infiltrating the collective conscious of the world. quoting polls from mainstream media is entirely antithetical to the movement. surely we cant disparage MSM in once sentence, and then look to it for validity in another.

results - that's how the 1% gauge themselves. heck, that's how any group with a goal and mission gauge themselves. in my most humble opinion, we'd be well-served to measure ourselves, our mission and the movement by results. not feelings, or hairs on our neck, or gut reactions. results.

la paz.

On the issue of whether "numbers" are growing:

I just think the number of people who believe (i.e., who believe that the problem exists, that it's possible to fix it, and that society will be better off as a result) is much larger today than it was, say, last spring. And in the long term, I think that that number will continue to increase.

If there's some data that addresses that specific question and reaches a contrary conclusion, I'd be interested to know.

I'm not saying the growth is inevitable, or that I disagree with your strategic recommendations. 

John

[edit: nice post, bobdelfino]

To quote "For example, Occupy Las Vegas wrote that the Attorney General Eric Holder is being asked to resign."

That rings hollow. The movement has been asking for the CEO of major corporations to resign. Voters have been begging for Obama to resign.  President Bush had 1/2 the country screaming for him to resign. So now some folks are reporting that people are asking for Holder to resign and that's somehow noteworthy? Every political candidate from the GOP has asked for Holder to resign. Fast & Furious and Solyndra have blown up in his face. That's not because of Occupy, thats due to incompetence. Holder committed to shutting down Guantanamo... it's still open for business.

Anon, I respect your points, and the points of others... but it's getting away from the roots of the movement - Occupy Wall Street. I dont mean that a singular voice is absolutely necessary, but sticking to the original inspiration(s) seems paramount. There's a reason that political candidates or ad campaigns say the same thing over and over again. After a while, the message starts to resonate.

The Occupy message doesnt have to die. But if it doesnt become succinct and lasting, Occupy will eventually become nothing more than a Wikipedia page at best, or, worse yet, a waste of time.

It may be a little early to ask what these people have accomplished, because their numbers are growing.

The occupy protest staging is a critical element to the movement as a whole, which is actually composed of two separate models.  The first model is 'on the ground'.  The protests are all 'on the ground' operations.  The media derived from that staging was absolute critical to the visionary healing of our society in America.  It was necessary because the vivid over-reactivity of the police to peaceful human beings has demonstrated clear moral values of each party associated or corroborated.   There were distinct crimes against the people which will be prosecuted in order to solidify a precedent.  Secondly, the new wave of media is directly confronting public servants individually in several different interest groups.  There are multiple lawsuits in progress, due to the immense public pressure upon the courts and the government departments.  Many of those ones in offices of power are not going to be able to withstand a Congressional Investigation, that includes the affiliate law firms and corporations.  For example, Occupy Las Vegas wrote that the Attorney General Eric Holder is being asked to resign.  

In order to facilitate the timely election of the 870 Delegates to the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY by July 4, 2012 and submission of a petition to the government for a redress of grievances before the 2012 election, the Working Group on the 99% Declaration, shall draft asuggested list of grievances to be respectfully submitted to the Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY no later than May 30, 2012. The final version of the PETITION OF GRIEVANCES, to be ratified by the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, may or may not include the following issues currently suggested by the Working Group on the 99% Declaration:  http://occupylasvegas.org/?page_id=201

The second model is the research teams whom compile data for letters of correspondence, press and extending publications, and suit's, presenting to lawyers i.e. the National Lawyers Guild.  There are a number of bills in the House and Senate in the last two weeks which clearly display a plan for the U.S. Military to preemptively strike against the intelligentsia.  

I.e., H.R. 1801, sponsored by Rep. Chip Cravaack, MN, which passed the 29th of November, 2011.  Ammending Title 49 of the United States Code to provide expedited security screenings for members of the Armed Forces.  

In conjunction,

Senator Carl Levin, whom sponsored the S. 1867, for which Occupy Las Vegas issued the statement declaring that S. 1867 has been considered the High Crime of Treason.  Senator Carl Levin sponsored S. 1256, which has not passed as of today.  S. 1256 is an attempt to appropriate money and the authority to provide for a newly established Department of Energy National Security.  Meaning that the Department of Energy feels it is entitled to have a National Security Department.  In order to;

Secure the security vulnerabilities of each national laboratory; and if, in conducting a review under paragraph (1), the Secretary discovers a significant vulnerability in a national laboratory computer, promptly notify the congressional defense committees of the vulnerability.

 

(b)(a)(3)  An assessment of the harm to national security or individual privacy resulting from the loss, if any, of such data.

 

If you are unaware, the national laboratories that are being referred to in S. 1256 and the above quote are 16 scientific research systems, one of the largest in the world.  The National Laboratories are mostly managed by academic universities or by private companies.  The Department of Energy provides the National Laboratories more than 40% of the total national funding for physics, chemistry, materials science, and other areas of the physical sciences.  Therefore, the terms of S. 1256 explicitly authorize a Surveillance System based on software that monitors all internet traffic, effectively to patrol all of the information that is being developed in those laboratories.  

There are also several bills containing declarations that authorize the use of severe measures to police copyrights through policy in an over-extended manner, and contrary to the consent of many large companies that provide information technology.  See opencongress.org for more information.  

Thank you,

Jim Your Benevolent Leader,

We have accomplished quite a bit:

1) Frank Luntz has said that Occupy is "having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism." (See this article: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ti.....07949.html).

2) The media continue to question numerous politicians and executives about their views of the Occupy movement.

3) We continue to change the dialogue of the public, which has a favorable opinion of the movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.....t#Reaction).

 

Stay tuned. We intend to accomplish much more.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME????

That is your grand list of "accomplishments"?  A media piece in Yahoo News, and a Wikipedia entry????

You filthy hippies are more delusional that even I figured.  Your Grand List of Accomplishments is akin to a group of kindergardeners 'graduating' to the first grade.  Asthetically pleasing, but ultimately, ....worthless......

Traffic on this forum has SLOWED to a crawl, Occupy sites are now the butt of late-night TV jokes, major cities have had enough of your antics and continue to shut you down, and yet, the Tranquility Park 'collective' manages to survive.  How many folks were there last night in the cold?  I'm sure dozens and dozens of supporters were there to cheer you on in your efforts.

Give up the Ghost, and admit the Epic Fail that "Occupy" has become (or rightly, as I predicted, was from the beginning ).  Come over to the dark side.  There is a job-fair scheduled soon in San Antonio (they were in Robstown yesterday), so line up for one of the oil-field jobs and join the economic boom that is happening all around you.

JYBL  

We have accomplished quite a bit:

1) Frank Luntz has said that Occupy is "having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism." (See this article: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ti.....07949.html).

2) The media continue to question numerous politicians and executives about their views of the Occupy movement.

3) We continue to change the dialogue of the public, which has a favorable opinion of the movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.....t#Reaction).

Stay tuned. We intend to accomplish much more.

If I had not been scrubbed from the record here, you could all go back to some of my original posts and read the clarity of which I forecasted the coming demise.  You hippies certainly hung on longer than I would have thought (I originally gave you 8 weeks, … tops!!), but with the change in seasons and the change in heart among the rest of the nation who have grown tired of your constant complaining, how long until the "Man' shuts you guys down?

As the Benevolent Leader of Occupying OccupyHouston, let me be the first to say, "NOT A MOMENT TOO SOON".  it has been a fun ride, but like all good things, this too shall pass. Adios!!!

So, I will return to my original question.  What did you really accomplish, for all the mis-placed effort?

Jim

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