Katie said:

Gabrielle,

 

you are the one assuming they would hand out flyers with a segregationist mentality, not me. It is unfortunate you can not rise above the race issue and prefer to buy into what he presents.

 

Perhaps you should go back and read everything he has written.

 

If you want to provide constructive criticism in the way it is intended, then I am still waiting. Otherwise, there is no reason to take you seriously.

 

BTW, I don't see why I can't report myself. And I don't see why bullying should not be reported either.

 

~k

 

 

'you are the one assuming they would hand out flyers with a segregationist mentality, not me.'.. Am I? I never said anything about handing out flyers for segregation. I said we should have a diverse meeting to discuss race rather than fall off into sub groups. Does that sound like a segregationist mentality to you?

I did read what he had to say. As did I yours. And let me just tell you it was sad.

And the reason you shouldnt report 'bullying' is because you are a fucking adult. If you are debating with someone out at a protest are you going to call John and report them everytime they 'bully' you? You're an adult so if you know what you're talking about you should be able to stand your own ground in an argument without having to 'report' the other person. Shut them up with your logic(if you have any), not with the power the administrator has to delete their post.

Post edited 12:35 am – November 23, 2011 by seshata

All, it is very interesting how I have been slandered and maligned here in this Occupy Houston Forum only for thinking and speaking about an alternative view of Racism White Supremacy.  It seems like non-white people may not speak freely like others about issues that concern them at Occupy Houston. Many in grassroots communities have heard concerns such as "Whiteness and the 99%".

Last week during General Assembly, a group of people who classified themselves as white, seperated into there own faction and realigned the participants that had been meeting at Tranquility.  The were also discussing the homeless people in disparaging ways.  This was verified again tonight when members attempted to ban work groups from behaving exclusively like they did last week.  I made this announcement last week at GA and requested an appropriate forum here :

"OccupyHouston is a leaderless group. However, issues of People of Color has been and are being marginalized by the concerns of other participants.  People of Color have been asked to go back to our respective communities and request from those communities more participation from  Asian, African American, Latino, Native American and Hispanic people.

We can not, however, do this as long as we feel that we are being marginalized by others.  That would be disingenuous and disrespectful to the legacies all of our communities.  The People of Color Caucus will encourage open dialogue and sincere debate to express our concerns democratically.  We reserve the right as did other Groups to meet privately if we are concerned about any further marginalization.  As People of Color, we refuse to be relegated or confined to the lower or outer limits of OccupyHouston."

As a Work Group / Caucus, People of Color Occupy Houston  has not excluded but has welcomed all to participate in the forum, including White Supremacy Racism Topic. 

Thanks for your continued support, recommendations and assistance.  Onwards to Truth and Reconciliation and the Burning of the Race Card.

Katie said:

gabrielle said:

 you are a fucking adult.

OH NO NOT A BAD WORD!! LOL Are you seriously offended by a curse word? I dont think so. I think you resort to picking at small meaning less words in my comment to distract from the fact that you have nothing objective to add. 

And I say again. YOU ARE A FUCKING ADULT. So put on your big girl panties and get over it.

Katie said:

Yes, Gabby, notice I don't go around treating people with disrespectul language and hostility based on the color of their skin. However, I don't have to tolerate it either.

BTW, it is a norm in our society to be able to report unacceptable on-line behavior. You may want to take that into consideration in the future, this decency expected for your face to face behavior and your on-line behavior.

 

If you can't treat someone with respect on-line, then why on earth would they want to meet you face to face? That is illogical and emotionally unhealthy. You might consider aiming for win:win interactions in everything you do with others, no matter their race, but especially when you are addressing sensitive issues.

Trust me sweetheart if we were having this conversation face to face I wouldnt have a problem using the same language and I dont think I said anything 'hostile' to you. What? Telling you that you're a fucking adult is hostile? And Im over the age of 15 so I wouldnt get offended by someone using the word 'fuck', ever. Its a word used to express emotion, so what..  'I don't go around treating people with disrespectul language and hostility based on the color of their skin.' LOL Now Im racist? How exactly was I treating you 'based on the color of you skin'? Please explain what in my comment was so 'illogical and emotionally unhealthy' other than the fact that I used the word 'fuck'.

Above I stated:

"Last week during General Assembly, a group of people who classified themselves as white, seperated into there own faction and realigned the participants that had been meeting at Tranquility.  The were also discussing the homeless people in disparaging ways.  This was verified again tonight when members attempted to ban work groups from behaving exclusively like they did last week. "

http://occupyhouston.org/forum…..statement/

It seems like non-white people may not speak freely like others about issues that concern them {White Supremacy Racism} at Occupy Houston. Many in grassroots communities have heard concerns such as "Whiteness and the 99%".

"OccupyHouston is a leaderless group. However, issues of People of Color has been and are being marginalized by the concerns of other participants.  People of Color have been asked to go back to our respective communities and request from those communities more participation from  Asian, African American, Latino, Native American and Hispanic people.

We can not, however, do this as long as we feel that we are being marginalized by others.  That would be disingenuous and disrespectful to the legacies all of our communities.  The People of Color Caucus will encourage open dialogue and sincere debate to express our concerns democratically.  We reserve the right as did other Groups to meet privately if we are concerned about any further marginalization.  As People of Color, we refuse to be relegated or confined to the lower or outer limits of OccupyHouston."

Thanks for your continued support, recommendations and assistance.  Onwards to Truth and Reconciliation and the Burning of the Race Card.

All, Katie stated:

"If you thought people here would feel bad about the color of their skin they were born with, so not speak up, then you have been proven terribly wrong.",

I would not suggest that Katie is incorrect with this assessment.  However, I know that she is incorrect in knowing my intentions.  Unlike Katie and others who have responded negatively here on first impressions, I am thankful that we have begun this dialogue in HoustonOccupy even as rough as it seems.  The question is How Do We As OccupyHouston Heal Our Racial Divide?  This is something that must be done.  It is and has been quite obvious that all people have been mistreated by the injustices produced by 500 years of White People domininating the thought, speech and action of other people whom they as White People have classified as not White.  The smartest and most powerful of all White People  - a relatively small amount of White Supremacist Racist-  accomplishes this task with the cooperation of most White People who function as agents of the White Supremacist.  There has always been many White People who are not as smart and as powerful who have failed in their attempts to replace White Supremacy Racism with Justice.  Some of those Powerless People have routinely assisted others in the production of Justice and continue to do so in movements towards the birth of Justice.  Some of those Powerless People are assisting in OccupyHouston as well.  But I have witness the flip-side or the bad side rear its ugly head as noted above.  The potential is always there but did I cause this historical divisiveness or was it always there waiting to be exposed.     

I cited earlier:

"The American Fall does not seem as threatening to the power elite on Wall Street as was the basic standards addressed and inspired during and after the Arab Spring. How can a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protest  continue without addressing the fundamental issue of White Supremacy in America and how  white people are even mistreated by the injustices produced by the supremacy of the smartest and most powerful white people in all areas of people activity here in America? In an odd way, White Supremacy has been detached from the discussions about Wall Street.  It would seem as though a new group is challenging the reigns of power again only for the benefit of the new grouping.

Does Wall Street generally practice White Supremacy whereby people who classify themselves as White People are a majority of the decision makers on Wall Street who determine how all Non-white people think, speak and act in all areas of people activity, including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War?

For the Occupy Wall Street resistance to be legitimate, shouldn't the movement  clarify exactly what White Supremacy is and how it works on Wall Street in establishing, maintaining, expanding and refining the greatest injustice  that the world has ever known?

Else aren't we back to the same old things:

Ignorance is Strength by Emmanuel Goldstein {George Orwell} (1949)

"Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.

The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim – for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives – is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters."

"Tear down this wall!" was the challenge from United States President Ronald Reagan to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to destroy the Berlin Wall.  It was done in due course after white people- by terms of "cold war", came together with a COMMON  (communism) agenda to continue to CAPITALIZE (capitalism)   on the people whom they have classified as not white into the 21st century .

"Tear Down Wall Street"………will not happen without tearing down the injustices produced by White Supremacy or replacing White Supremacy with Justice and correctness.

Who has the most at stake for replacing the SYSTEM of white supremacy with a SYSTEM of justice, the people who are able to practice white supremacy/racism  or the victims of white supremacy?

Whiteness and the 99%:

"Occupy Wall Street and the hundreds of occupations it has sparked nationwide are among the most inspiring events in the U.S. in the 21st century. The occupations have brought together people to talk, occupy, and organize in new and exciting ways. The convergence of so many people with so many concerns has naturally created tensions within the occupation movement. One of the most significant tensions has been over race."

Katie also stated:

"If your caucus can welcome all races without excluding them or making them feel like you are being hostile, then fantastic. But do you really beleive you have given all of us that impression?",

Katie, if people feel anything, they must feel a need to know "why were they born, if not to produce Justice".  I did not created there levels of comfort or uncomfort by introducing a radical approach to a age old delimma of the only functional Racism which is White Supremacy.  Nothing turns off victims of White Supremacy more than the deceit and deception involved in denying the existence of White Supremacy Racism by White People who may or may not be the beneficiaries of the greatest injustice in the known universe.  Perhaps it would be more digestible to some in  OccupyHouston if my message was being delivered by the likes of a Michael Moore, a Noam Chomsky or a Howard Zinn who would all basically agree with healing Our Greatest Divide in order to challenge The Power Elite, that happens to function as White Supremacist Racist. 

Historically, very few non-white people have had the opportunity to accuse White Supremacist Racist and be taken seriously.  Usually, non-white people must have other Powerless White People to support their claims.  This is how White Supremacy Works. 

How many non-white people are actually documented in stating that Adolf Hitler is a Racist during those days of Jim Crow Segregation?  Matter of fact can anyone offer the name of the first non-white person in America history and/or elsewhere to have been referred to as  "Racist"?  Imagine that, given that today the term "Racist" has replace the common venacular for discrimination, bigotry and prejudice–natural tendencies in humanity.

I am the first of my family to have been accused of praciticing Racism and called a "Racist" in 500 years.

Thanks for your continued support, recommendations and assistance.  Onwards to Truth and Reconciliation and the Burning of the Race Card.