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1:35 pm
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Post edited 1:36 pm – November 23, 2011 by John
seshata, can you think of anything you can do differently, which might help resolve the antipathy that some members feel toward you without sacrificing your beliefs? For example, I'm happy to move this thread out of General Discussion and into the People of Color subforum.
See my comments on collectedfunk's post here:
http://occupyhouston.org/forum…..s-on-here/
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2:35 pm
November 23, 2011
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seshata
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Post edited 9:17 am – December 1, 2011 by seshata
John, thanks for your concern but the OccupyHouston's People of Color Caucus is fine were it is.
I am a native Texan. My issues are my communities issues. How can the OWS movement Occupy Wall Street without essentially Occupying White Supremacy {OWS}?
This may seem redundant but:
Thanks, for the heads up John. For more information http://www.chron.com/profile/?…..sonaPhotos
about seshata sefekht. I posted both here and I have not had a hidden agenda. Anyone may speak to me personally by the weekend. Corporate concerns of my own led me to Occupy Houston and I am sharing from my own experience to ones whom I have met.
I respect collectedfunk's opinion but he did not cite my hatred of anything or any one. From what he cited ones may guess that I could be agnostic or atheistic but neither are the case because collectedfunk cited poetry/prose. I sometimes say things like freedomisahappyslave or judeo-islamichristinsanity.
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8:05 pm
November 23, 2011
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Katie said:
G~
You are giving me a perfect example of the kinds of friends Seshata keeps, or at least support his ideologies….thank you for enlightening me.
I hope you have sufficient courage to look within some day…that is the toughest thing a person can ever do. Unfortunately tough talk and sarcasm does not impress me, just the opposite. You might consider this behavior of yours is not appropriate for interacting in a civilized manner, to add value and be productive in society. Is this a way you would like to teach a child to behave? To treat others inconsiderately? And, if your mother is around, would she condone it?
~k
LOL Why are you putting words in my mouth? You done this a couple time already and Id appreicate it if you'd stop. First, I treated you with hostility based on the color of your skin. Now Im friends with seshata and support his ideologies? Have you even read any of my post? Please point out what exactly that I said that implies that? Im sarcastic because you are unrealistic. I replyed to you in the first place because you where acting as equally uncivilized as seshata. I dont agree with seshata, thats why I was trying to explain to him that every race has ancestors that commited a crime against another, not just whites. I wanted to try to open seshatas eyes without mocking his beliefs. But if you wouldnt have mocked him and threatened that you'd 'report' him for his opinion in the first place and tryed to explain yourself like an adult you would have gotten your point across better. You're amazingly hypocritical. Read back threw your comments and then tell me you handled this whole conversation the same way you are trying to imply that I should speak. You seem to have a probelm with me using sarcassm against you Katie but you seem to have not had a problem starting this forum with a piece of sarcaism. So please quit trying to teach me some lesson about 'respect'. I choose to save my respect for respectable adults, not whinny little girls who can hold their own in an argument.
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10:22 pm
November 23, 2011
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Gabrielle, when you state:
". I dont agree with seshata, thats why I was trying to explain to him that every race has ancestors that commited a crime against another, not just whites. I wanted to try to open seshatas eyes without mocking his beliefs. But if you wouldnt have mocked him…….",
On several of my posts, I indicated that many injustice have occurred in the past but the injustices committed under 500 years of White Supremacy Racism is overwhelming by the empirical data. Several people became offended because I made the distinction between natural prejudice,bigotry or discrimination and the global practice of White Supremacy Racism. Anyone can observe how and why the discussion evolved.
Truth and Reconciliation requires certain criteria that some are not willing explore. Burning the Race Card requires confession and forgiveness. The Occupy Movement will only gain from this radical approach for unity of the 99% unless ones wish to become the new rulers…
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12:31 am
November 24, 2011
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katie stated:
"Seshata,
I would like you to refrain from commenting on any of my posts, as I find your behavior contemptious. Nor do I want you to send me any PMs.
I will also send you one PM requesting that you not comment on my posts, and/or send me PMs.
Thank you.
~k"
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1:25 am
November 24, 2011
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seshata said:
Gabrielle, when you state:
". I dont agree with seshata, thats why I was trying to explain to him that every race has ancestors that commited a crime against another, not just whites. I wanted to try to open seshatas eyes without mocking his beliefs. But if you wouldnt have mocked him…….",
On several of my posts, I indicated that many injustice have occurred in the past but the injustices committed under 500 years of White Supremacy Racism is overwhelming by the empirical data. Several people became offended because I made the distinction between natural prejudice,bigotry or discrimination and the global practice of White Supremacy Racism. Anyone can observe how and why the discussion evolved.
Truth and Reconciliation requires certain criteria that some are not willing explore. Burning the Race Card requires confession and forgiveness. The Occupy Movement will only gain from this radical approach for unity of the 99% unless ones wish to become the new rulers…
Yes but what are you trying to say when you state that.. 'the injustices committed under 500 years of White Supremacy Racism is overwhelming by the empirical data.' Please tell me if Im misunderstanding your comment but are you trying to say that whites are more evil than others because of the actions of our ancestors?
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2:08 am
November 24, 2011
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gabrielle said: Please tell me if Im misunderstanding your comment but are you trying to say that whites are more evil than others because of the actions of our ancestors?
millions of indigenous populations died of disease introduced into the Americas .
Revolutionary War, WWI and WWII, Opium Wars, atomic weaponry……
gabrielle, yes, there is a misunderstanding and over-compensation is at question.
Although, arrogance, ignorance and stubborness is near evil, I would refer you to Noam Chomsky, Hope and Prospects. Then……
What is 'evil'? Live backwards is evil.
As long White Supremacy Racism exists, ANY re-action to it’s existence, by a
non-white person, can be considered a form of “suicide’.
When a non-white person submits to White Supremacy, that non-white person can be said
to be submitting to a “suicidal” condition.
To submit to, and/or cooperate with, White Supremacy, can be called a prolonged “suicidal’ process.
To submit to, and/or to cooperate with people who are extremely powerful in the practice of injustice, and , who are greatly DETERMINED to CONTINUE to practice it, can be called a commitment of the PROHIBITION of the “birth” of justice.
To prevent the establishment of justice, and/or to fail to resist the practice of injustice—even to the death—is to endorse the “suicide” of the basis for the MEANING of “life’ as it should exist among the people of the known universe.
Any existence that directly or indirectly supports non-justice and/or incorrectness, is, in essence, the functional
equivalent of “non-life”, and/or no “life” at all.
“Life”, in total essence, is the sum total of truth, justice, and correctness—Peace. Those persons who “non-live’ in subjection to White Supremacy, exist in support of falsehood, non-justice, and incorrectness. Therefore, they neither “live” a “life”, nor support a “life’, but, rather, the EXIST in “non-life”, and support “non-life”.
To exist in “non-life” and support “non-life”, regardless of the TIME and/or EFFORT spent in so doing, is to commit “suicide”.
Without justice, there is no “life” in people. Without justice, people do not “live”. They only exist.
People who willfully and deliberately insist on practicing injustice and who do so on a MASTERFUL SCALE,
over a PROLONGED PERIOD, and who show no intention of stopping the practice, do not deserve to exist.
People who submit to those who practice injustice on a masterful scale, over a prolonged period, do not do their duty to the meaning of “life” if they continue to exist in subjugation to the masterfully unjust.
It is not a matter of choosing between “life” and “suicide’. It is a matter of choosing between justice and non-justice.
Existence without justice is “non-life”. All existence has value. But, the VALUE of existence, under conditions dominated by injustice, is in the WILL to UTILIZE that existence, to the utmost, to eliminate injustice, and to
establish justice.
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2:18 am
November 24, 2011
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seshata said:
gabrielle said: Please tell me if Im misunderstanding your comment but are you trying to say that whites are more evil than others because of the actions of our ancestors?
millions of indigenous populations died of disease introduced into the Americas .
Revolutionary War, WWI and WWII, Opium Wars, atomic weaponry……
gabrielle, yes, there is a misunderstanding and over-compensation is at question.
Although, arrogance, ignorance and stubborness is near evil, I would refer you to Noam Chomsky, Hope and Prospects. Then……
What is 'evil'? Live backwards is evil.
As long White Supremacy Racism exists, ANY re-action to it’s existence, by a
non-white person, can be considered a form of “suicide’.
When a non-white person submits to White Supremacy, that non-white person can be said
to be submitting to a “suicidal” condition.
To submit to, and/or cooperate with, White Supremacy, can be called a prolonged “suicidal’ process.
To submit to, and/or to cooperate with people who are extremely powerful in the practice of injustice, and , who are greatly DETERMINED to CONTINUE to practice it, can be called a commitment of the PROHIBITION of the “birth” of justice.
To prevent the establishment of justice, and/or to fail to resist the practice of injustice—even to the death—is to endorse the “suicide” of the basis for the MEANING of “life’ as it should exist among the people of the known universe.
Any existence that directly or indirectly supports non-justice and/or incorrectness, is, in essence, the functional
equivalent of “non-life”, and/or no “life” at all.
“Life”, in total essence, is the sum total of truth, justice, and correctness—Peace. Those persons who “non-live’ in subjection to White Supremacy, exist in support of falsehood, non-justice, and incorrectness. Therefore, they neither “live” a “life”, nor support a “life’, but, rather, the EXIST in “non-life”, and support “non-life”.
To exist in “non-life” and support “non-life”, regardless of the TIME and/or EFFORT spent in so doing, is to commit “suicide”.
Without justice, there is no “life” in people. Without justice, people do not “live”. They only exist.
People who willfully and deliberately insist on practicing injustice and who do so on a MASTERFUL SCALE,
over a PROLONGED PERIOD, and who show no intention of stopping the practice, do not deserve to exist.
People who submit to those who practice injustice on a masterful scale, over a prolonged period, do not do their duty to the meaning of “life” if they continue to exist in subjugation to the masterfully unjust.
It is not a matter of choosing between “life” and “suicide’. It is a matter of choosing between justice and non-justice.
Existence without justice is “non-life”. All existence has value. But, the VALUE of existence, under conditions dominated by injustice, is in the WILL to UTILIZE that existence, to the utmost, to eliminate injustice, and to
establish justice.
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2:43 am
November 24, 2011
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seshata said:
gabrielle said: Please tell me if Im misunderstanding your comment but are you trying to say that whites are more evil than others because of the actions of our ancestors?
millions of indigenous populations died of disease introduced into the Americas .
Revolutionary War, WWI and WWII, Opium Wars, atomic weaponry……
gabrielle, yes, there is a misunderstanding and over-compensation is at question.
Although, arrogance, ignorance and stubborness is near evil, I would refer you to Noam Chomsky, Hope and Prospects. Then……
Actually the Spain and Britian both had a hand in killing the indigenous populations of the Americas, it wasnt just diease. When Columbus arrived in the bahamas he thought he had landed in the Indies. He was greeted by the Arawaks with open arms. He promised the Queen of Spain that he would bring back slaves, spices and gold from Asia(where he thought he was headed crossing the Alantic). So he slaughtered the Arawaks to find the resources he promised and continued this on his second voyage when he landed in North America. A priest named Bartolomé de las Casas that was hired by the Spanish Queen to join Columbus so he could spread the catholic faith wrote two books on the genocide of the Indians commited by the spanish colonist. He spent 50 years of his life fighting slavery and the violent colonial abuse of indigenous peoples, especially by trying to convince the Spanish court to adopt a more humane policy of colonization. Britian of course joined in the colonizaton of the Americas soon after Spain but what is your point. Is every human on this planet of spanish ancestory equal to their ancestors? I have an Italian heritage so are you saying I am equal to men like Columbus and Musolini because of that?
'Although, arrogance, ignorance and stubborness is near evil'.. I dont understand. You need to be more clear with your words. Are you applying this to all white people?
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2:48 am
November 24, 2011
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seshata said:
As long White Supremacy Racism exists, ANY re-action to it’s existence, by a
non-white person, can be considered a form of “suicide’.
When a non-white person submits to White Supremacy, that non-white person can be said
to be submitting to a “suicidal” condition.
To submit to, and/or cooperate with, White Supremacy, can be called a prolonged “suicidal’ process.
To submit to, and/or to cooperate with people who are extremely powerful in the practice of injustice, and , who are greatly DETERMINED to CONTINUE to practice it, can be called a commitment of the PROHIBITION of the “birth” of justice.
To prevent the establishment of justice, and/or to fail to resist the practice of injustice—even to the death—is to endorse the “suicide” of the basis for the MEANING of “life’ as it should exist among the people of the known universe.
Any existence that directly or indirectly supports non-justice and/or incorrectness, is, in essence, the functional
equivalent of “non-life”, and/or no “life” at all.
Please explain this. What exactly do you consider to be a non-white person submiting to White Supremacy?
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9:44 am
November 24, 2011
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seshata
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Post edited 10:40 am – November 24, 2011 by seshata
gabrielle said:
seshata said:
gabrielle said: Please tell me if Im misunderstanding your comment but are you trying to say that whites are more evil than others because of the actions of our ancestors?
millions of indigenous populations died of disease introduced into the Americas .
Revolutionary War, WWI and WWII, Opium Wars, atomic weaponry……
gabrielle, yes, there is a misunderstanding and over-compensation is at question.
Although, arrogance, ignorance and stubborness is near evil, I would refer you to Noam Chomsky, Hope and Prospects. Then……
Actually the Spain and Britian both had a hand in killing the indigenous populations of the Americas, it wasnt just diease. When Columbus arrived in the bahamas he thought he had landed in the Indies. He was greeted by the Arawaks with open arms. He promised the Queen of Spain that he would bring back slaves, spices and gold from Asia(where he thought he was headed crossing the Alantic). So he slaughtered the Arawaks to find the resources he promised and continued this on his second voyage when he landed in North America. A priest named Bartolomé de las Casas that was hired by the Spanish Queen to join Columbus so he could spread the catholic faith wrote two books on the genocide of the Indians commited by the spanish colonist. He spent 50 years of his life fighting slavery and the violent colonial abuse of indigenous peoples, especially by trying to convince the Spanish court to adopt a more humane policy of colonization. Britian of course joined in the colonizaton of the Americas soon after Spain but what is your point. Is every human on this planet of spanish ancestory equal to their ancestors? I have an Italian heritage so are you saying I am equal to men like Columbus and Musolini because of that?
'Although, arrogance, ignorance and stubborness is near evil'.. I dont understand. You need to be more clear with your words. Are you applying this to all white people?
gabrielle, when I state:
'Although, arrogance, ignorance and stubborness is near evil',
I am applying that statement to all people. The natural and inherent state of man is based in those qualities. Primitive cultures evolved by trial and error. Superstition and taboo once ruled the day and mankind is gradually progressing beyond those primitive states. Injustice has always been a thing of the past but the greatest injustice that has ever existed has existed during the past 500 years of White Supremacy Racism. No other injustice may be addressed today without addressing the major injustices produced by the practice of White Supremacy since it dominates thought, speech and action in all areas of people activity. Attempting to address any major issue would be a waste of time and effort without involving the factor of White Supremacy Racism.
The smartest and most powerful White People have the ability to produce Justice in the shortest amount of time but they choose not to do so. Most White People are not smart and powerful enough to replace the injustice produced by the supremacy of White People in All areas. Albeit, all people should aid in the birth of Justice because why were we born if not to produce Justice.
White Supremacy Racism began as a 'compensatory act' and all people who have been deprived of something to which they are due deserve compensation for what has been missing but White Supremacy is now a process of over-compensation. The major injustices are being perpectuated because non-white people are being deprived of compensation because of the over-compensation of a White Power Elite 1% in order to maintain their hierarchal structure.
http://occupyhouston.org/forum…..pensation/
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10:34 am
November 24, 2011
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seshata
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gabrielle said:
seshata said:
As long White Supremacy Racism exists, ANY re-action to it’s existence, by a
non-white person, can be considered a form of “suicide’.
When a non-white person submits to White Supremacy, that non-white person can be said
to be submitting to a “suicidal” condition.
To submit to, and/or cooperate with, White Supremacy, can be called a prolonged “suicidal’ process.
To submit to, and/or to cooperate with people who are extremely powerful in the practice of injustice, and , who are greatly DETERMINED to CONTINUE to practice it, can be called a commitment of the PROHIBITION of the “birth” of justice.
To prevent the establishment of justice, and/or to fail to resist the practice of injustice—even to the death—is to endorse the “suicide” of the basis for the MEANING of “life’ as it should exist among the people of the known universe.
Any existence that directly or indirectly supports non-justice and/or incorrectness, is, in essence, the functional
equivalent of “non-life”, and/or no “life” at all.
Please explain this. What exactly do you consider to be a non-white person submiting to White Supremacy?
gabrielle, submitting to White Supremacy = being subjugated to the point of cooperating with the practice of injustice. Examples: Thanksgiving instead of Thankstaking. Putting out a fire on a slave plantation. Applying chemicals to the hair of children for appearances…..etc.
This can be shown throughout the entire history of colonization and neo-colonization. People have been and are being ruled by proxy over vast distances. That 'colonial' rule dominates thought, speech and action in all areas of people activity, including, Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.
gabrielle, when you stated:
"Is every human on this planet of spanish ancestory equal to their ancestors? I have an Italian heritage so are you saying I am equal to men like Columbus and Musolini because of that?",
please remember that in America, after 'color codes' were developed in the 1600's in order to mistreat people based on 'color'. That practice became White Supremacy Racism. Europeans were placed in positions of privilege within the penal system that became America similar to the positions of prison guards. All people who later came to the Americas for 'opportunities' became aware of the "Pecular Institution" unless they were 'feeble-minded'. At times in American history, European immigration was exclusive and the norm.
gabrielle, is it unreasonable for ones to suggest that unless ones are actively replacing White Supremacy Racism with Justice that those ones may be deemed suspect of partaking in the privileges of an unjust system until that system is replace with justice.
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10:33 pm
November 24, 2011
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seshata
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6:01 pm
November 25, 2011
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STORM
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just don let whitey tend the cockus….don wan to see dat ugly face…but he can lick my ass
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6:02 pm
November 25, 2011
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got something to contribute besides racism, storm?
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6:07 pm
November 25, 2011
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STORM
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Im jest gonna agree with anythin Shesata sayz.
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6:10 pm
November 25, 2011
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Post edited 6:11 pm – November 25, 2011 by John
STORM said:
Im jest gonna agree with anythin Shesata sayz.
agree with him or disagree, but not with blatantly insulting posts
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6:12 pm
November 25, 2011
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STORM
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what do I say difrently ten Shesata?
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6:22 pm
November 25, 2011
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STORM said:
what do I say difrently ten Shesata?
directly insulting a race and using racial epithets, for starters, and that's enough.
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6:27 pm
November 25, 2011
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STORM
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wear the diktionery on this sihgt? so, you say if not direct, that is okay?
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