seshata said:
To Whom It May Concern………
After producing and getting approval for An OccupyHouston Internal Solidarity Statement, a Media Team Member of Occupy Houston, Cassie, gave me 2 email addresses in order to submitt the accepted proposal to the Occupy Houston Website. Both email addresses in Cassie's own handwriting bounced back.
what were the email addresses?
The above email verifies that I have been a Victim of White Supremacy Racism in the OccupyHouston Movement
No, the email verifies that you received a private message from that person, on that date, at that time, with that subject line. If you're talking about the content of the private message, kindly say so. Thanks.
Indirect violence also includes setting a person up for failure……..
John, yesterday you stated:
"No, the email verifies that you received a private message from that person",
Which person were you referring to? Cassie or katie?
also, when you state:
"seshata, look at your PM notifications. They ALL come from that same email address, no matter who the PM is from. That's just how the notifications are set up.",
please remember, that you deleted the 2 other email addresses that Cassie gave to me. If the notifications have been 'set up' as "OccupyHouston <cassie888@occupyhouston.org>", what was the purpose of giving me 2 erroneous addresses(including webrequests@occupyhouston.org) on Nov. 09, 2011 instead of cassie888@occupyhouston.org . If webrequests@occupyhouston.org received Attn: Cassie Bruce; OccupyHouston – Internal Solidarity Statement, why wasn't there a response.
John, since Cassie had used the language of Race to justify her position with the Women's Caucus when Cassie posted here http://occupyhouston.org/autho…..cassie888/ :,
"Overall, as a group we agreed that we would like to see the level of awareness of about the inequality women face brought to the same degree of awareness as race inequality and insensitivity.—Cassie"
Cassie then gave a reference to:
"During the heated debate on Facebook, Nick Cooper posted this note and during the women’s meeting we agreed it was well spoken and that we’d like to add it to the general outline of what the meeting was about. To be clear, this was originally posted in response to a heated debate on Facebook (at facebook.com/occupyhouston at Monday 2:24 pm) :
We shouldn’t expect most white-males to arrive at occupyhouston already knowing the motivations for an all women’s breakout group. For me, it took seeing several presentations by queer and people of color caucuses to “get it.” At occupyhouston when the idea of a feminism meeting first came up, many guys objected. A feminism meeting with those males present might not even get started, and it made perfect sense for those who identify as female to choose to meet on their own.
Breakout groups inside larger groups sometimes choose to limit their participation to only women, blacks, people of color, sex-workers, rape-victims, or etc. These types of groups form because when non white males try to explore their thoughts in an open group, they are often interrupted, shushed, mocked, dominated, criticized, or otherwise shut-down. I do not think the response of occupyhouston should amount to “man up, deal with it on your own, and come back whenever you are ready.”
There is no equivalency here to an all-white breakout group, and comparisons to that effect are odious. Oppressed groups in our society are not the same as dominant groups and we shouldn’t maintain an unequal status quo on the basis of so-called equality. Black prejudice against whites is not the same thing as white prejudice against blacks. The concept of black power is not an equivalent to the concept of white power. Sex-workers do not get the same respect in our society as college students. Critiques of patriarchy are not the same as critiques of women. The 99% has real inequities in it, and they don’t go away by pretending we all have equal power.
If members of non-dominant groups often don’t feel comfortable to speak as much, or at all, in wide-open meetings, then they need other sorts of meetings to work on it. The process of developing ideas often requires a less pressured environment for collaborative dialog. Creating spaces where women don’t have to worry about being shut down by insensitive men can help build up the strength needed to dialog later with those men on a better footing. Sometimes the breakout groups start off as exclusive, and then can come to re-enter dialog with the larger group on their own terms.
There are exclusive associations taking place all the time at occupyhouston. There is no rule against such things. When David Rovics played a concert there, it wasn’t open for anyone to go up and play any instrument with him. A musician choosing who is in his band is no more problematic than a group of women deciding they want to meet alone.
White males often assume that their presence does nothing to stop women and people of color from feeling comfortable talking about their concerns and their histories. This fact alone explains why they are sometimes asked to not attend. I have been part of hundreds of types of groups and movements in my life and there has never been one in which white males didn’t speak for more than their even share of time. Those who would seek to deny women a chance to meet without them are obstructing the creation of a space where those who are used to speaking less get to speak more.
There are many who seem to acknowledge that we live in a white patriarchy where women may well not get their full thoughts out in the presence of men, but don’t seem to be open to creative solutions to bring balance. It should be obvious that women will not say all kinds of things about feminism if there are guys present, especially if they are insensitive guys. We have a long way to go, and we will never get there if women’s right to free association isn’t respected."
John, why was the character 'katie' allowed to subvert my post on White Supremacy Racism without the intervention of moderaters or administrator:
Katie posting under White Supremacy Racism
1:33 pmNovember 12,2011
You may not realize this, Seshata, but if you do not like white people, then you will not get along with a large number of people in this movement. Sad but true.
Post edited 3:08 pm – November 12, 2011 by seshata
Katie
said:
You may notrealize this, Seshata, but if you do not like white people, then you will not get along with a large number of people in this movement. Sad but true.
Katie, what in my posts indicate that I have a dislike or hatred for any group of people or person?
Do you have a problem discussing White Supremacy?
As a person of color (victim of White Supremacy Racism), am I not allowed to discuss White Supremacy and how it affects all areas of people activity? Are you willing to police the thoughts of others like women, gay… etc.
I will get along with everyone who is in agreement with replacing injustice and incorrectness with justice and correctness.
Katie 12:25 am November 13, 2011
So, please don't preach to me about a small pathetic minority of white supremicists that are unlikely to be part of Occupy (they tend to bepart of the conservative right), they just are not worthy of your attention or mine. Let accusations fly if need be, but I am not going to discuss it any further.
4:43 pmNovember 13, 2011Katie under To the irritating African American male who
shoves his camera in people's faces after he is asked to stop it
Sounds like a form of harassment or bullying.
Public Education Wisdom and intelligence do not go hand in hand
4:49 pm November
13, 2011
Katie said: If you find anyone filbustering and encouraging hate and division within Occupy, consider his person an enemy to Occupy's future success. Please respond by making your feelings known to the
administrator.
Post edited 2:04 pm – November 18, 2011 by Katie
RDC, Yes, Seshata does behave like a troll with a different style then yourself. He is simply desperate and this is the safest way to express himself. He pretends to present himself with a picture, but it is not one where he can be identified. Which is understandable. He also displays what appears to be a tall African mask, his main identity, his proud 'persona.'……..That is all Seshata. No more for you; I don't like to associate with racists.
Post edited 11:58 pm –November 19, 2011 by Katie under Hate groups designated by the Southern PovertyLaw Center
Occupy needs to be very careful to not become sympathetic or accepting of any hate groups, which might try to take advantage of the momentum of our group. It would be unfortunate to destroy our movement via aggression and/or alienation to the majority.
1:53 am November 20, 2011 Katie said:
James, Chicken is about as good as it gets for a balance of essential amino acids for maintaining
and building muscle. Very tempting is the fried chicken at Randalls…the best ever…. but I have to say 'no.' Eggs are considered the closest ideal for essential aminos….if you don't eat too many given the cholesterol. If you want to put on muscle, whey isolate powder mixed with low cal almond milk is
considered the fastest 'whey to go'…assuming '007' has to stay in shape. Depending upon length of work out, you can take some in advance, but proteincan also slow you down. Try to eat your protein no more than 20 minutes after your weight work.
BTW, you mightwant to back off on the recreational habit…it might be frying your brain. And
tell your mother I don't date guys that smoke weed or live with theirmother….even if they are heroes.
Post edited 2:24 pm – November 21, 2011 by Katie under
Are you one of those that assume I am not impacted by the 1%,
simply because I am white
That means I am not allowed to play in your sandbox as well? Geesh.
Or that I amsubject to your snide white comments? Yikes! I have no more desire to interact with racists than you. And if the signs strongly suggest to me that you are a racist, that you don't want to get along….then no thank you,you are simply a bully, and people need to be aware of your behavior. Nothing I can do to change you. I will not discuss race with people that send out signs they hate me. I will go play with multicultural friends that practice mutual appreciation and can discuss racism maturely, without behaving with contempt, unlike you.
Look around you. White people are not the only ones in the 1%. But if that is what you need to
tell yourself, then so be it. You live what you believe, it is all a reflection of you.
6:07 pmNovember 21, 2011 Katie
Who knew that OHS was simply going to head in the direction of white and not white? Is most of
the population really that shallow? God help us all.
3:37 am November 23, 2011 katie re-posts
seshata
said:
Katie
said:
Who knew that OHS was simply going to head in the direction of white and not white? Is most of
the population really that shallow?
God help us all.
4:55 pmNovember 22, 2011 Katie hating caucasions or any race
It seems to me when postings teach younger generations to hate instead of learning to get along, in the education forum of all places, then we have a serious problem at Occupy.
6:29 pmNovember 22, 2011 Katie
Poor Seshata,
it is I that expressed my pity for you long ago, as not knowing how to differentiate between love and hate and trying to teach the children to be irrate. Your ideas are not new and the way you apply them, they are still not working. They never will. You do not teach people how to get along with each other. On the contrary, and it is evident from what you write in your endless infinite filibusters.
Get a life.
4:43 pmNovember 22, 2011Katie under LOVE
Bondage:
A state black supremicists would like to enforce on all white people….combined with a whip.
BTW, Iowawas one state providing an Underground Railroad. Perhaps you can make it a part of your
future travels.
7:04 pmNovember 22, 2011 Katie
I have lived in places of Asian supremacy. But it quickly became evident Seshata would not begin to comprehend or wanted to do so.
Interesting you point that out CF, it seems more than one Occupy person has some silver spoon
issues…but I will refrain from outing the others. lol. For now. Most of them are probably okay, after all, they are interested in Occupy.
Katie re-posted several posts in WSR Topic 1:29 am November 23, 2011
11:52 pmNovember 23, 2011Katie under hating caucasions or any race
Seshata,
I would like you to refrain from commenting on any of my posts, as I find your behavior
contemptious. Nor do I want you to send me any PMs.
I will also send you one PM requesting that you not comment on my posts, and/or send me
PMs.Thank you.~k
10:08 pm November 23, 2011collectedfunk under Some info about Seshata if you are interested to know about who posts on here
there is a difference between discussing racism and letting it be all you talk about. Look how many threads are about racism. versus the number about economics, etc..
Post edited 10:24 pm –November 23, 2011 by Katie
I agree with CF. There are many people of a variety of races in successful positions in the USA, in all kinds of professions, and it is quite wonderful. In the last twenty years, there has been a lot of progress and there continues to be so. The same can be said about women, education and the work world. If you can not see them, or how far race and gender have come in the last generation, maybe you can expand your horizons and look in areas you have not looked yet.
Feel free to go look at statistics and talk with people from a variety of generations. Don't let one man or one organization be your only source of information in such matters. And go to the library and research it yourself.
11:00 pmNovember 23, 2011Katie
Seshata, you are free to provide us all the statistics with a reliable, reputable source, since this is your obsession, not ours.
12:27 amNovember 24, 2011seshata stated katie stated:
"
Seshata,
I would like you
to refrain from commenting on any of my posts, as I find your behavior
contemptious. Nor do I want you to send me any PMs.
I will also send
you one PM requesting that you not comment on my posts, and/or send me
PMs.
Thank you. k"
12:29 pmNovember 24, 2011Katie
If we can not problem solve by focusing on the economy to create jobs for everyone, and instead focus on race, then we will only make a bad situation worse or spin our wheels. If you don't beleive me, start by reading economics books at the library, reading reputable financial magazines and watching financials shows that refer to the top professionals….you may even begin to realize a chunk of them are not caucasion or even born in the USA.
2:16 pmNovember 26, 2011katie under Harassment
Requests to cease harassment have not been honored. I am no longer comfortable returning to this
site and be subjected to what appear to be acts of intimidation.
Thank you to all of those that have provided encouragement and support….may you succeed in your
endeavors in peacefully overcoming corruption and any narcissitic elite in our country.
Post edited 1:24 am – November 22, 2011 by Katie under OccupyHouston'sPeople of Color Caucus
…… Bob, maybe
they are the HPD? At first I thought they might be from the film Avatar…gentle
loving creatures. Regardless, HPD seemed to save the day today….hope someone at
Tranquility is expressing gratitude.
Hmmmm…. I am told
I am fairly colorful.
Based on what I
read, I am not really certain the one that hates white people likes anyone.
Post edited 12:51 pm– November 22, 2011 by Katie
Pathetic. We
should feel sorry for Seshata and how he tries to disempower his race through
his anger and obsessession. However, I still rather not associate myself with
him because his approach is self defeating and harassment oriented. I speak up
to defend individuals of all races when they are not behaving like asses. As
you see, Seshata has not labeled or stereotyped me as part of "The Good
White People" and everything he says is right….do I have an
"Amen?" He has also labeled me as controlling based on what little he
knows about me…obviously a projection. Sad.
1:03 pmNovember 22, 2011 katie
Seshata, you are no MLK.
Post edited 4:37 pm– November
22, 2011 by Katie
And you are
already fully aware we still can not see your face well enough to identify you,
so you are basically disguising yourself as an Olmec avatar….with apparently as
primitive of ideas.
Perhaps we can
simply call you Olmec.
6:47 pmNovember 22, 2011 Katie
I agree with CF.
And if you can not work with everyone, then kindly remove yourself for the
greater good.
You are free to
hand out flyers at Occupy. If people of race, religion or a specific gender
want their own group, they have enough people to do it independent of Occupy
and they already know it.
Post edited 8:14 pm –November 22, 2011 by Katie
It is sad to
consider the countless numbers of people Seshata has driven away from this
movement because of his racist behavior, and he treats it all like it is a
joke. As far as I can tell, he has been very disrespectful to everyone he
encounters and he gets away with it; maybe he is accustomed to playing 'the
race card.' As far as 'trolls' go, I think he has been the worst of them all. I
would like to see him leave.
8:16 pmNovember 22, 2011 Katie
I just 'reported'
the above post, so you don't have to
Gabrielle,
you are the one
assuming they would hand out flyers with a segregationist mentality, not me. It
is unfortunate you can not rise above the race issue and prefer to buy into
what he presents.
Perhaps you
should go back and read everything he has written.
If you want to
provide constructive criticism in the way it is intended, then I am still
waiting. Otherwise, there is no reason to take you seriously.
BTW, I don't see
why I can't report myself. And I don't see why bullying should not be reported
either.
Post edited 1:00 am –November 23, 2011 by Katie
Yes, Gabby,
notice I don't go around treating people with disrespectul language and
hostility based on the color of their skin. However, I don't have to tolerate
it either.
BTW, it is a norm
in our society to be able to report unacceptable on-line behavior. You may want
to take that into consideration in the future, this decency expected for your
face to face behavior and your on-line behavior.
If you can't
treat someone with respect on-line, then why on earth would they want to meet
you face to face? That is illogical and emotionally unhealthy. You might
consider aiming for win:win interactions in everything you do with others, no
matter their race, but especially when you are addressing sensitive issues.
1:28 amNovember 23, 2011
Seshata, Being contemptious toward
any race is not simply an alternative view. It also discredits the rest of your
perspective on anything you report, race related or not. It seems only people
with hate filled ideologies will agree with you, and most people in this
country do not live that way. Based on what I have read that you have written,
there is no way I can take you seriously in the future.
The anger you
display does not appear to enhance interracial relationships, but appears to me
to be designed to create more problems with no intention whatsoever to be
reasonable and provide decent solutions….only escalate. If you simply like
being destructive, which appears to be the case, then as far as I am concerned,
you are not welcome anywhere I am present.
If you thought
people here would feel bad about the color of their skin they were born with,
so not speak up, then you have been proven terribly wrong.
If your caucus
can welcome all races without excluding them or making them feel like you are
being hostile, then fantastic. But do you really beleive you have given all of
us that impression?
Thank you.
2:01 amNovember 23, 2011 Katie
You are giving me
a perfect example of the kinds of friends Seshata keeps, or at least support
his ideologies….thank you for enlightening me.
I hope you have
sufficient courage to look within some day…that is the toughest thing a person
can ever do. Unfortunately tough talk and sarcasm does not impress me, just the
opposite. You might consider this behavior of yours is not appropriate for interacting
in a civilized manner, to add value and be productive in society. Is this a way
you would like to teach a child to behave? To treat others inconsiderately?
And, if your mother is around, would she condone it?
2:16 pm November 26, 2011 katie
Requests to cease harassment have not been honored. I am no longer comfortable returning to this site and be subjected to what appear to be acts of intimidation.
Thank you to all of those that have provided encouragement and support….may you succeed in your endeavors in peacefully overcoming corruption and any narcissitic elite in our country.
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