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12:52 pm
November 23, 2011
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collectedfunk
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Post edited 12:56 pm – November 23, 2011 by collectedfunk
Ok
So i felt Seshata had a hidden agenda here. Due to the fact that the 5 tops threads are about racism. All of which were spurred by Seshata. So I did some research.
on Seshata Sefekht which is Seshata's assumed name. Here is a post by Sehsata on another forum
in these times, i am the anti-christian. i am the anti-judaic. i am the anti-islamic. i am the anti-'white'psuedo supremacist. i am the anti-sethian. i am here to lay waste to the HYKSOS/hebrews fallacies. i am with the followers of heruuuuu. i reside in the belly of the beast, houston.
Here is a pic of Seshata
http://rastafarispeaks.com/gal…..atasefekht
Seshata is a member of
Thecode.net
Endarkenment.com
counterracism.com
plus a few others like rasta sites, etc..
All of which are anti-white forums. Well if people are not aloud to be anti-black, anti-brown, etc.. they should not be able to be anti-white. Its called reverse racism and its still racism.
So I say Seshata's only goal is anti-white. He has no interest in the 99% or our movement. Only racism and how he can fight the white man.
One of his post refers to prison guards. It says that all prison guards are white supremacists.
Well I know 3 prison guards. One is a white lady with a trinidadian husband and a mixed race son.
I know a white man with a vietnamese wife and children.
I also know a Nigerian with a white wife.
To Seshata all of them are nazi's
I say ban him, he is not for our movement, but his own. And to be honest his single goal interferes with our many goals.
Just look at how racism talk has taken over this forum, just like the others he is part of. We have gotten of topic as of late. Ban him and lets get back to the real issues
P.s. Before you reply Seshata
Im not white. I am a Native American from the Muskogee. My family is Creek , mother raised on reservation. Im American, which is why I care about this country.
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1:25 pm
November 23, 2011
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John
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posting full names and pics (outing) keeps legitimate supporters away.
I'll post in the mods forum and see what the general opinion is about that issue and about seshata.
Note the mods forum is just something I created, and I don't know if the others even check it. There's another way we communicate, but I'd rather everyone here be able to see the discussion.
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1:30 pm
November 23, 2011
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Post edited 1:30 pm – November 23, 2011 by John
first I may give seshata a heads-up
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2:23 pm
November 23, 2011
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seshata
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Post edited 9:04 am – December 4, 2011 by seshata
John said:
first I may give seshata a heads-up
Thanks, for the heads up John. For more information http://www.chron.com/profile/?…..sonaPhotos and http://www.facebook.com/#!/pro…..3212258430 (peopleofcoloroccupyhouston on Facebook)
about seshata sefekht . I posted both here and I have not had a hidden agenda. Anyone may speak to me personally by the weekend. Corporate concerns of my own led me to Occupy Houston and I am sharing from my own experience to ones whom I have met.
I respect collectedfunk's opinion but he did not cite my hatred of anything or any one. From what he cited ones may guess that I could be agnostic or atheistic but neither are the case because collectedfunk cited poetry/prose. I sometimes say things like freedomisahappyslave or judeo-islamichristinsanity.
 
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3:23 pm
November 23, 2011
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collectedfunk
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Ha I was right. Awesome. I dont care what you do John. Im done responding to anything Seshata says or any thread he posts in. Someone stated that Seshata drives people away from this movement and they were right.
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3:28 pm
November 23, 2011
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seshata
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collectedfunk said:
Ha I was right. Awesome. I dont care what you do John. Im done responding to anything Seshata says or any thread he posts in. Someone stated that Seshata drives people away from this movement and they were right.
At General Assembly last week, I did not say a word and most of the White People in Occupy Houston 'separated' themselves from the 'homeless' people without regards for any Internal Solidarity.
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4:06 pm
November 23, 2011
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collectedfunk
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Well I will be at a Ga soon and I will call them out on that shit. I know I said I was done posting where you post Seshata. But I will for sure let people know that separation like that or in anyway is counter productive to the movement.
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4:10 pm
November 23, 2011
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collectedfunk said:
Ha I was right. Awesome. I dont care what you do John. Im done responding to anything Seshata says or any thread he posts in. Someone stated that Seshata drives people away from this movement and they were right.
Why were they driven away by Seshata? Was it because they did not want to discuss race and its historical ramifications on the various 'non whites'. Or did they think Occupy Houston was a movement that would ignore the plight of the non whites and just protest for the benefit of the 'status quo'? " I don't want to protest in support of ending the racial categorization of people. Racism has served me well."
Why do people keep thinking that 'ending white supremacy/racism' equates to hating white people? Could it be that those exploiting this dynamic feel threatened with the end of the social subsidy?
Has not white racism specifically created a situation in this country that justifies the abuse of those who are not white?
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6:44 pm
November 23, 2011
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stamperben
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If racism isn't addressed, if sexism isn't addressed, if all inequalities among people are not addressed then the movement toward progressive change will fall apart. The 1% who rule us now will cheer.
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Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it.
Mark Twain
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10:08 pm
November 23, 2011
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collectedfunk
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there is a difference between discussing racism and letting it be all you talk about. Look how many threads are about racism. versus the number about economics, etc..
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10:22 pm
November 23, 2011
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Post edited 10:24 pm – November 23, 2011 by Katie
I agree with CF.
There are many people of a variety of races in successful positions in the USA, in all kinds of professions, and it is quite wonderful. In the last twenty years, there has been a lot of progress and there continues to be so. The same can be said about women, education and the work world. If you can not see them, or how far race and gender have come in the last generation, maybe you can expand your horizons and look in areas you have not looked yet. Feel free to go look at statistics and talk with people from a variety of generations. Don't let one man or one organization be your only source of information in such matters. And go to the library and research it yourself.
Time is of the essence. It is time to focus on other concerns that are detrimental to the well being of our country.
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10:38 pm
November 23, 2011
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seshata
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White Supremacy Racism dominates thought, speech and action in ALL areas of people activity, including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War….
Please cite any area that is not dominated by White Supremacy Racism.
OccupyWallStreet by OccupyingWhiteSupremacy
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11:00 pm
November 23, 2011
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Seshata, you are free to provide us all the statistics with a reliable, reputable source, since this is your obsession, not ours.
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12:27 am
November 24, 2011
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seshata
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katie stated:
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Seshata,
I would like you to refrain from commenting on any of my posts, as I find your behavior contemptious. Nor do I want you to send me any PMs.
I will also send you one PM requesting that you not comment on my posts, and/or send me PMs.
Thank you.
~k
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11:22 am
November 24, 2011
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Katie said:
I agree with CF.
There are many people of a variety of races in successful positions in the USA, in all kinds of professions, and it is quite wonderful. In the last twenty years, there has been a lot of progress and there continues to be so. The same can be said about women, education and the work world. If you can not see them, or how far race and gender have come in the last generation, maybe you can expand your horizons and look in areas you have not looked yet. Feel free to go look at statistics and talk with people from a variety of generations. Don't let one man or one organization be your only source of information in such matters. And go to the library and research it yourself.
Time is of the essence. It is time to focus on other concerns that are detrimental to the well being of our country.
Racism and economics…
Is that why economics has negatively affected blacks and Hispanics more than twice as much as the white population? Is that why the unemployment rate for black youth is four times higher than the general population? I have seen the statistics, they aren't pretty.
I'll grant that strides have been made. But for any sort of movement to try and bring change to the system to deny that great problems still exist will be doomed to failure. It is UNITY and only UNITY that will gain momentum.
You speak of "expanding horizons" and looking in areas not yet explored. In my 56 years of being involved and seeing the state of our nation I can say that to put blinders on and deny that the problem is still huge is an issue that this Occupy movement will NEED to come to terms with for it to continue and see real change come about as a result of it.
For many generations one great weapon the ruling classes have had at their disposal has been to cause division among their foes. I am sad to see that they seem to continue to be successful.
This is an economic matter at hand, that's for sure. But it crosses over to INEQUALITY issues as well. Time is of the essence. The longer y'all wait to address the total picture the bigger the victory of the 1% becomes.
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Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it.
Mark Twain
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11:47 am
November 24, 2011
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I just want to add that the perception out in middle America is that the Occupy movement is about a bunch of whiny students who just want their loans forgiven. To combat that there needs to be inclusion of ALL the 99%. Not just talking about it, but actual outreach to them. The elderly who face Social Security and Medicare cuts; the working poor who are living paycheck to paycheck and continually fall behind; the unions who can be a huge asset in organizational help; even the New Black Panther Party. There are many community organizations who need to hear what the aims of the Occupiers are, and they need to hear from the Occupiers themselves, not from the media.
Time is running short. It is time to act.
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Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it.
Mark Twain
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12:29 pm
November 24, 2011
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Katie
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Ben, you could share your statistics links in a new thread, and it will be easier to comprehend what you are saying and it would also lend validity to your perception. If you can include how more people of any race have lost jobs during this recession/depression, using numbers and percentages, overall percent of population they represent, and so forth, what kind of work they were doing, etc., that would be insightful as well. Scientifically based statistics from reputable sources speak to me, rhetoric does not. Rhetoric is simply rhetoric.
We all have our perceptions on what we have witnessed in our own life. What I have seen have been vast improvements. However, perhaps with the kind of work environments or people you know in them first hand, you have experienced, you have not. Possibly what kind of sector they are working in makes a difference, and whether or not they chose to pursue higher education or not. There are many ways of seeing things, life is complex. If one person knows mostly well educated people vs another knowing mostly high school graduates that won't be able to easily get ahead because they elected to not pursue their education, they will have differing perspective. The person that knows mostly well educated people and has worked for a large company many years easily knows a great diversity of people, in regards to race and religion. And these women and minorities are continuing to be preferred for grooming purposes, possibly due to government regulation, and they tend to be more challenging to find among the older generations with the experience level needed. That experience level makes a huge difference in how quickly change happens in big companies, and sometimes experience is sacrificed to meet government requirements, and someone can be overwhelmed by what they are thrown into as a result. That is not fair to them or the company, no matter how anyone tries to make it work. One does not gain experience overnight….it takes years. Some companies plan their profit 50 years in advance. Some plan their employees career moves no less than a year in advance…and some several years out, just to develop or groom for experience.
The person that knows mostly blue collar people may not know a great diversity unless they have deliberately reached out of their factory or shop or church or neighborhood, or as we said in the expat circle may not "get out of the expat ghetto," to create another perspective that is more inclusive of all people.
People that are blue collar, lower to middle socioeconomic class are suffering greatly at this time, no matter their race. People suffering….no matter who, it matters! If we start playing 'the blame game' or 'I am a victim' or 'my people got it worse than you' we won't get anywhere….no different than the expat community saying "I lived in this place and so I had it ten times worse than you." Fact of the matter is, everyone in life has their share of advantages and disadvantages, and we can never really conclude what is worse when comparing apples to oranges. But if that is our focus, 'who has it worst' we are spinning our wheels.
If we can not problem solve by focusing on the economy to create jobs for everyone, and instead focus on race, then we will only make a bad situation worse or spin our wheels. If you don't beleive me, start by reading economics books at the library, reading reputable financial magazines and watching financials shows that refer to the top professionals….you may even begin to realize a chunk of them are not caucasion or even born in the USA.
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1:34 pm
November 24, 2011
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seshata
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stamperben said:
I just want to add that the perception out in middle America is that the Occupy movement is about a bunch of whiny students who just want their loans forgiven. To combat that there needs to be inclusion of ALL the 99%. Not just talking about it, but actual outreach to them. The elderly who face Social Security and Medicare cuts; the working poor who are living paycheck to paycheck and continually fall behind; the unions who can be a huge asset in organizational help; even the New Black Panther Party. There are many community organizations who need to hear what the aims of the Occupiers are, and they need to hear from the Occupiers themselves, not from the media.
Time is running short. It is time to act.
stamperben, it has become obvious to many that members of the Occupy Movement are self serving. I witnessed this for myself as White People broke away from GA and Tranquility last week. Frederick Douglass had to explain the meaning of the 4th of July to White Abolitionists just like Sojourner Truth had to ask White Women of the Sufferage Movement, "Aint I a Lady" when White People pandered their agendas and marginalized their issues like some self-proclaimed "CORE" OccupyHouston members attempted to. But like in the past many truthfull White People at OccupyHouston stood resolute and unwavering in their pursuit of Justice for All.
There must be Truth and Reconciliation in order to Burn the Race Card to heal racial division created by the smartest and most powerful White Power Elitist 'wardens' to the detriment of prison guard 'whites' and inmate 'non-whites'.
We must All cease being the pawns of the White Supremacists{1%} Race Game.
How can ones Occupy Wall Street without Occupying White Supremacy.
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1:35 pm
November 24, 2011
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seshata
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Post edited 1:36 pm – November 24, 2011 by seshata
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1:55 pm
November 24, 2011
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Katie said:
Ben, you could share your statistics links in a new thread, and it will be easier to comprehend what you are saying and it would also lend validity to your perception. If you can include how more people of any race have lost jobs during this recession/depression, using numbers and percentages, overall percent of population they represent, and so forth, what kind of work they were doing, etc., that would be insightful as well. Scientifically based statistics from reputable sources speak to me, rhetoric does not. Rhetoric is simply rhetoric.
Katie, you cannot invalidate a persons perspective, the thing stands for itself.
stamperben said:
I just want to add that the perception out in middle America is that the Occupy movement is about a bunch of whiny students who just want their loans forgiven. To combat that there needs to be inclusion of ALL the 99%. Not just talking about it, but actual outreach to them. The elderly who face Social Security and Medicare cuts; the working poor who are living paycheck to paycheck and continually fall behind; the unions who can be a huge asset in organizational help; even the New Black Panther Party. There are many community organizations who need to hear what the aims of the Occupiers are, and they need to hear from the Occupiers themselves, not from the media.
Time is running short. It is time to act.
Tim Cast from NYC has an excellent broadcast on ustream.
http://wearetheother99.com/ https://twitter.com/#!/Timcast
This thread actually refers to exactly the fact of separation in the movement due to poor quality communication of ideas that if presented in respectful and inclusive CONTEXT would strenghten the bonds of community.
Seshata,
When you use the term White Supremacy you invoke alienation from people of the white race.
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